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we have had 1.422, 1.29 and on the way to another trillion dollars deficit for these years. what the president is proposing is not pragmatic whatsoever and really is a reflection of him i suppose living in a fantasy world. >> what do you think the deal that speaker boehner offered the president? >> well, i was against the plan b because i don't see this as being a tax revenue increase issue. most important is spending. we could georgia back -- go back to the simpson bowles commission. the most important thing, we have to deal with spending. we live in an america where the federal government now is spending 25% of our gross domestic product. when you study the obama budget that would increase to 32%. that's where the problem has to i am emanate from. the spending side of our budget is 62% of what we spend money on. it's not just about defense or discretionary. >> is there any indication the president's deal, that he may come back with, will address spending? i haven't heard substantial spending cuts out of any deals on the left. >> absolutely you are not hearing that whatsoev
we have had 1.422, 1.29 and on the way to another trillion dollars deficit for these years. what the president is proposing is not pragmatic whatsoever and really is a reflection of him i suppose living in a fantasy world. >> what do you think the deal that speaker boehner offered the president? >> well, i was against the plan b because i don't see this as being a tax revenue increase issue. most important is spending. we could georgia back -- go back to the simpson bowles...
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back to the 1980s when the deficits have started to explode, there have been four or five pieces of legislation over the past 30 years dating back to hollings that was the first sequester. the republicans in the house of representatives, they feel they were elected in 2010 to come here and cut spending. dealing with the tax increases, that's a smaller piece. and that seems to be the focus of these talks right now. getting everybody's hands wrapped around the spending component which again the super committee was supposed to take care of last year, they failed. the budget control act, other provisions, all of these things have failed because nobody wants to give. and that's why it is going to be tough to get this through the house of representatives because these republicans are locked in. they say, look, we have cut some spending here this past year. but it was not cut enough. it was not cut deeply enough. they say hold on, we have already cut. that's the longer heads. getting this through the house will be an uphill climb. >> and statistically, when you look at the surveys americans are dug in
back to the 1980s when the deficits have started to explode, there have been four or five pieces of legislation over the past 30 years dating back to hollings that was the first sequester. the republicans in the house of representatives, they feel they were elected in 2010 to come here and cut spending. dealing with the tax increases, that's a smaller piece. and that seems to be the focus of these talks right now. getting everybody's hands wrapped around the spending component which again the...
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are concerned about deficits and want to reduce deficits that will get channeled into cutting spending and that became something that is more popular known as starve the beast and it's the underlying principle underneath the tax pledge but it turned out that there wasn't that much of a limit to the deficit and so you ended up simply with lower taxes and higher spending and that's what we saw during their george w. bush era where he increased spending and cut taxes at the same time and that was really not the way judes theory was supposed to work so is there an alternative like a twenty twelve twenty thirty strategy is it time for the republican party to let go of that and say oh they're not the tax cut santa clause they can't because the billionaires who control that party want tax cuts for themselves and as long as you've got millions and millions of crazy tea party people who for some reason vote against their own direct economic interest and support the billionaires against themselves. you know we're kind of stuck unless the democratic coalition gets stronger but it's going to be to
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health care, the biggest add to our deficit in this country is rising health care costs. do we need to tangle those? how do they interact with the changes that are going to be set up across the country. is it going to cost the taxpayer more or less? all those have to be in the realm of realistic facts and figures. >> you're in arizona today. many of your constituents worked over the holidays. do you think congress should have stayed in washington to work for an agreement? >> absolutely. absolutely. once you know, once the boehner plan "b" collapsed, all we got was a notification, you can go home. we'll call you when we're ready. boehner's got to get off -- the majority of the majority must agree to something. it's going to take democratic votes to pass a tough fiscal compromise and unless there is inclusion and discussion on both sides of the aisle about this issue, that compromise gets tougher and tougher. >> thank you for coming "outfront." >> appreciate it. thank you. >> now, on the other side of the aisle. republican congressman of wisconsin. congressman, you just hea
health care, the biggest add to our deficit in this country is rising health care costs. do we need to tangle those? how do they interact with the changes that are going to be set up across the country. is it going to cost the taxpayer more or less? all those have to be in the realm of realistic facts and figures. >> you're in arizona today. many of your constituents worked over the holidays. do you think congress should have stayed in washington to work for an agreement? >>...
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back to the 1980s when the deficits have started to explode, there have been four or five pieces of legislation over the past 30 years dating back to hollings that was the first sequester. the republicans in the house of representatives, they feel they were elected in 2010 to come here and cut spending. dealing with the tax increases, that's a smaller piece. and that seems to be the focus of these talks right now. getting everybody's hands wrapped around the spending component which again the super committee was supposed to take care of last year, they failed. the budget control act, other provisions, all of these things have failed because nobody wants to give. and that's why it is going to be tough to get this through the house of representatives because these republicans are locked in. they say, look, we have cut some spending here this past year. but it was not cut enough. it was not cut deeply enough. they say hold on, we have already cut. that's the longer heads. getting this through the house will be an uphill climb. >> and statistically, when you look at the surveys americans are dug in
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they could have had a more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been a lot better off taking the deal that boehner was negotiating with president obama way back when. it was a better deal all the way around. they missed that moment. but i think the real thing is who pays the price. the people who are going to pay the price are the americans, the middle class. this is crazy. it's nuts to be putting us through this. >> maria, all the focus on tax cuts. but the revenue from increasing the taxes on the wealthy will barely make a debt in the deficit to say nothing of the trillions in debt we're talking about. is this just a symbolic fight that the president is determined to win off his election? >> it's not symbolic. there will be money raised if the tax cuts for the top 2% are left to expire. but let me just bring up a point. no democrat and certainly not this president has said there should be no spending cuts. on the contrary this president has put on the table quite an extraordinary amount of spending cuts to the cha
they could have had a more popular message about cutting deficit spending, right? >> the truth is they would have been a lot better off taking the deal that boehner was negotiating with president obama way back when. it was a better deal all the way around. they missed that moment. but i think the real thing is who pays the price. the people who are going to pay the price are the americans, the middle class. this is crazy. it's nuts to be putting us through this. >> maria, all the...
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reduce the deficit by 10 or 12%. so it's a question at this point of what sort of hollow, empty meaningless symbolic gesture daus washington want to make and how many group of people do they want on the altar to make that gesture. >> what's so interesting here is that we're talking about the republicans fighting to protect 1.2% of the american public from a tax increase. 98.2% of taxpayers are below the $250,000 threshold so it's kind of amazing in congress, particularly when we're talking about the house, that he's made a pledge around tacks that its willing to allow 98.2% of americans to pay more by going over -- around this curve, it's more of a curve than a cliff. but i think the issue of the deficit is important. i don't think it's a symbolic gesture. one of the things that we've seen is $200 million we've started carving off the deficit. and the question is the time frame of deficit reduction, right? it's how fast, over what time trajectory do we see health? we've been making improvements over the past three ye
reduce the deficit by 10 or 12%. so it's a question at this point of what sort of hollow, empty meaningless symbolic gesture daus washington want to make and how many group of people do they want on the altar to make that gesture. >> what's so interesting here is that we're talking about the republicans fighting to protect 1.2% of the american public from a tax increase. 98.2% of taxpayers are below the $250,000 threshold so it's kind of amazing in congress, particularly when we're...
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insurance is still available for 2 million people and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction in and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. let's not miss this deadline. that is the bare minimum we should be able to get done. it shouldn't be that hard, since democrats and republicans both say they don't want to see taxes go up on middle class families. i just have to repeat, you know, outside of washington, nobody understands how it is that this seems to be a repeat pattern over and over again. ordinary folks, they do their jobs. they meet deadlines. they sit down and discuss things and things happen. if there are disagreements, they sort through the disagreements. the notion that our elected leadership can't do the same thing is mind boggling to them and it needs to stop. so, i am modestly optimistic an agreement can be achieved. nobody's going to get 100% of what they want but let's make sure that middle class families and the american economy, in fact, the world economy are not adversely impacted because people can't do their jobs. all right. than
insurance is still available for 2 million people and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction in and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. let's not miss this deadline. that is the bare minimum we should be able to get done. it shouldn't be that hard, since democrats and republicans both say they don't want to see taxes go up on middle class families. i just have to repeat, you know, outside of washington, nobody understands how it is that this seems to...
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but 90 million is not that much, especially when you consider the federal deficit is $16 trillion and climbing. to retire the debt, every single american would have to pay $50,000. but garcia says you got to start somewhere, especially when washington won't. the partisan fighting has bothered him since? 1992, when he first wrote his congressman, suggesting a formula to put down the debt. the veteran says he is giving back to a country that has given him so much. a sense of duty, that is infectious. his daughter is now collecting cans at work. his grandson drives garcia to friends' houses, just to collect more cans. garcia knows that his monthly money orders won't avert the fiscal cliff. but they say that is not the message garcia is sending to congress. >> in order to really solve the $16 trillion national debt you have to sacrifice. >> reporter: politicians talk about kicking the can down the road. one american has decided that road has to end. and it might as well be here. kyung lah, cnn, san antonio, texas. >>> back in a moment. it's lots of things. all waking up. connecting to the
but 90 million is not that much, especially when you consider the federal deficit is $16 trillion and climbing. to retire the debt, every single american would have to pay $50,000. but garcia says you got to start somewhere, especially when washington won't. the partisan fighting has bothered him since? 1992, when he first wrote his congressman, suggesting a formula to put down the debt. the veteran says he is giving back to a country that has given him so much. a sense of duty, that is...
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they say they want deficit reduction. if you go over the cliff, you get deficit reduction, you just don't get it in the responsible, accountable way. it's like chopping off on arm. >> like says i want a shower, i'm going to niagra falls. >> they still can't get it done. we're dysfunctional. no other explanation. >> i think they can stop the roller coaster and make it go. they're doing a dance now because republicans don't want to do something to rates. obama wants to play hardball. but i think they'll have a different argument later in the year. >> i guess both believe it's better to go over the falls than cut a deal that's going to hurt them at home. tea party people don't respond to boehner or to cantor or mccarthy or any of them. somebody in the next tea party is going to be yelling from the back, you sold us out. i think that's why the tea party is never going to be functional. they don't really respond to getting things done. they respond to anger back home. >> i think 2014 democrats are also aware of these tax incre
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. >> kelly: one final question, if i may, what kind of deficit reduction would this tax be able to provide for the people of france, if you incur 75% tax because you just happen to be a multi-millionaire? >> the thing about france is we're not the united states. we don't have that many multi-millionaires. it was actually really only going to affect 1500 people across the country. so it wasn't going to be very much. it was probably, if you're lucky, at best, $1 million. >> kelly: katherine field, thank you so much for joining us via phone and telling us about the deal in france. thank you. >> heather: back at home, hundreds of firefighters from across the u.s. and canada heading to western new york for second day for the wake and funeral services for these two fallen heros. the two volunteer firefighters were killed in a christmas eve ambush when they responded to a house fire and they were gunned down by 62-year-old william spangler. police also arresting 24-year-old dawn nguyen for illegally purchasing the gun that spangler used in that rampage. now the community of webster is stepping up
. >> kelly: one final question, if i may, what kind of deficit reduction would this tax be able to provide for the people of france, if you incur 75% tax because you just happen to be a multi-millionaire? >> the thing about france is we're not the united states. we don't have that many multi-millionaires. it was actually really only going to affect 1500 people across the country. so it wasn't going to be very much. it was probably, if you're lucky, at best, $1 million. >>...
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it would have an impact on the deficit. the president and democrats said they would like to have more deficit reduction but they don't want middle income seniors paying for that. it's a tough, tough point. the president said he would be open to entitlement changes in a bigger, broader deal. that's not what this was intended to be in the last 48 hours or so. i don't have a crystal ball. the moment we are in right now, it's not looking good. >> kelly o'donnell, live on capitol hill. we will check back in with you. thank you so much. again, the update, the highlight there from kelly o'donnell. there's been a major setback at this point in negotiations. according to democratic sources telling some democrats they are in a worse place in the negotiations now than they have been in some time. we're keeping a close eye on capitol hill. all the fiscal cliff business, maybe we put it aside at some point. we are not going to talk about that. by all accounts, 2013 should be a year of economic recovery. it should be. in a new article in
it would have an impact on the deficit. the president and democrats said they would like to have more deficit reduction but they don't want middle income seniors paying for that. it's a tough, tough point. the president said he would be open to entitlement changes in a bigger, broader deal. that's not what this was intended to be in the last 48 hours or so. i don't have a crystal ball. the moment we are in right now, it's not looking good. >> kelly o'donnell, live on capitol hill. we will...
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insurance is still available for 2 million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education and remembering general norman schwarzkopf. but first, the other news of the day. here's kwame holman. >> holman: the u.s. economy has dodged a potentially crippling strike at ports up and down the east coast and gulf coast at least, for now. the longshoremen's union agreed today to extend its existing contract by another month. that word came after the union and shipping lines worked out a deal on royalty payments for unloading containers. the contract extension gives the two sides time to resolve their remaining issues. wall street finished the week with its fifth straight losing session. stocks have been falling as concern mounts that washington will fail to get
insurance is still available for 2 million people, and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education and remembering general norman schwarzkopf. but...
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americans looking for a job and lace the ground work for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> reporter: the current congress will be in session until january 3rd. after that, 13 new senators and 82 new house members will take over and unher it the huge problem out of the congressional gates. audrey barns, fox 5 news. >>> love that song. redskins fans coming down to tomorrow night's kickoffs against the rival, the cowboys. a lot is on the line and lindsay murphy joins us now. feels like christmas eve all over again. >> and i am going to -- some football. >> reporter: redskins have had nailbiters this year and this is the first since 1979 that both of the teams were fighting to make it in the season. >> and everyone in the media, you could not have scripted it better. >> i know. >> and this is against the most hated rival. >> reporter: they would guarantee themselves at least a wild card spot if the bears and vikes lose. they must beat dallas to win the division and advance to the post season. tomorrow will be the final game of the season for dallas if they lose an
americans looking for a job and lace the ground work for future cooperation on more economic growth and deficit reduction. >> reporter: the current congress will be in session until january 3rd. after that, 13 new senators and 82 new house members will take over and unher it the huge problem out of the congressional gates. audrey barns, fox 5 news. >>> love that song. redskins fans coming down to tomorrow night's kickoffs against the rival, the cowboys. a lot is on the line and...
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it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the darkest hour right before the dawn, melissa. everybody ought to hope that's true, at least if you don't want to see your taxes go up on midnight on monday and tuesday night because everything seems to be at a standstill right now. let's review the bidding. here it is from a republican source here on the republican side of capitol hill. all day yesterday they were trading proposals back and forth. by his count two democratic offers came back to republicans and four came back from republicans to democrats. the last one being at 7:00 last night, and, boom, after that, things pretty much came to a standsti standstill.
it ought to be about reducing the deficit and the debt, and what they are essentially suggesting is we want new taxes. we want higher taxes on people in this country to pay for new spending. >> so what happens next? with us nbc news capitol hill correspondent mike vic rah and nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker. mike, let's get started with you. what's happening right now in the senate. i understand there's an update on the chained cpi. >> reporter: they say the...
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insurance is still available for 2 million people and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education and remembering general norman schwarzkopf. but first, the other news of the day. here's kwame holman. >> holman: the u.s. economy has dodged a potentially crippling strike at ports up and down the east coast and gulf coast at least, for now. the longshoremen's union agreed today to extend its existing contract by another month. that word came after the union and shipping lines worked out a deal on royalty payments for unloading containers. the contract extension gives the two sides time to resolve their remaining issues. wall street finished the week with its fifth straight losing session. stocks have been falling as concern mounts that washington will fail to get
insurance is still available for 2 million people and that lays the groundwork then for additional deficit reduction and economic growth steps that we can take in the new year. >> all of this still developing. and we will have more on all of it with mark shields and david brooks later in the program. >> also ahead >> warner: also ahead, between now and then; protesting a gang rape in india; mass producing high quality education and remembering general norman schwarzkopf. but...
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still the crushing deficit is so they still have to do some big things let alone optimism gration reform and other stuff. it's a little like tarp, remember the hse voted no then the markets just could lapsd. i think we might see something like that in the first week in january and then a focus. but they will still be with cooperation. >> we have already seen an emotion of public confidence and a slowdown of economic activity. so i mean it's like this has already built in. i agree with david that the tarp analogy is a valid one but i think tarp was so dramatic and immediate. this is almost going to slow change. it is like it's built in. >> havinging what imact-- impact on the public wince think a loss of consumer certainty, consumer confidence and comes back to not to sound like good government 101 but come back to the fact confidence in the public sector. you want to do something bim gration, about climate change. in order to do that, there has to be a public reservoir of public confidence that we can act effectively. the government can be an instrument of change for the better. if the g
still the crushing deficit is so they still have to do some big things let alone optimism gration reform and other stuff. it's a little like tarp, remember the hse voted no then the markets just could lapsd. i think we might see something like that in the first week in january and then a focus. but they will still be with cooperation. >> we have already seen an emotion of public confidence and a slowdown of economic activity. so i mean it's like this has already built in. i agree with...
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deficit is about $4 trillion a year. these tax increases cover about 400 billion. that's 9 or 10%. that's. it the rest of this battle is over entitlements. i mean the democrats could solve this whole thing simply by agreeing to a minor increase, just a two year increase. >> the president did put that on the table and the republicans reject that. the real issue here is there going to be a self-inflicted wound to the economy? the uncertainty here. either way taxes on the wealthy are going up. they'll go up under a deal approved in the last hours which may or may not happen or if it doesn't, there's no deal, then we go over the so-called cliff and the tax goes up there. so either way taxes are going up. >> if the president wanted a deal on entitlements, all he has to do is raise the age from social security to 65 to 67, maybe 68. that solves the entire problem. the president won't deal on that. >> it's a separate issue with its own trust fund. that could be solved fairly easy. you're right about that. it's medicare that's the bigger problem. >> if they agreed to that either raising th
deficit is about $4 trillion a year. these tax increases cover about 400 billion. that's 9 or 10%. that's. it the rest of this battle is over entitlements. i mean the democrats could solve this whole thing simply by agreeing to a minor increase, just a two year increase. >> the president did put that on the table and the republicans reject that. the real issue here is there going to be a self-inflicted wound to the economy? the uncertainty here. either way taxes on the wealthy are going...
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so this tax increase will take care of maybe 3 to 7% of the deficit. he has talked about a balanced approach. what is the solution for the other 93%? that's what we have to start getting our arms around. creditors around the world, at some point are going to take a look at the united states government and say, we are not going to loan you money. when the interest rates inch up, we crowd out all kinds of spending. if we revert to the average interest rate we had from 1970 to 1999, 5.3% that, cost $600 billion per year in added interest expense. that's what we are trying to avoid with a fiscally responsible plan. >> we stand by with you and the rest of the folks on the hill to see what you get today. we wish you all the best in finding a solution. >> thank you. >> the president is blaming congress, specifically republicans in the house, republicans blame the president. who do the american people think is at fault? we have our spokesperson for the dnc and for the rnc. >> good to be with you. we be that the polling is not good for anybody in washington, wh
so this tax increase will take care of maybe 3 to 7% of the deficit. he has talked about a balanced approach. what is the solution for the other 93%? that's what we have to start getting our arms around. creditors around the world, at some point are going to take a look at the united states government and say, we are not going to loan you money. when the interest rates inch up, we crowd out all kinds of spending. if we revert to the average interest rate we had from 1970 to 1999, 5.3% that,...
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>> there area i variety of different things and the obvious one is we're running a national deficit at a scale that's unsustainable. when it's over $1 trillion like it's been for the last three years that will create some situations where just crisis emerged. that's the first part. the second part is the economy and not pointing fingers at anybody, but the economy is not back on track. there's still a significant level of unemployment and the amount of people who are actually participating and the workforce is down, so you have all of the economic components of this constant situation of where there are these constant fiscal problems. having said that, one of the things that you're seeing in this particular debate and why i'm feeling better about this particular exchange is the sense that, look, when the policy outcome becomes greater than the political payoff, that's when you see bipartisan ship begin to emerge and i think what you're seeing from both sides is the policy outcome is becoming more important and you'll see it program that we'll move in that direction from the fiscal clef
>> there area i variety of different things and the obvious one is we're running a national deficit at a scale that's unsustainable. when it's over $1 trillion like it's been for the last three years that will create some situations where just crisis emerged. that's the first part. the second part is the economy and not pointing fingers at anybody, but the economy is not back on track. there's still a significant level of unemployment and the amount of people who are actually...
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we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to the clinton levels of taxation. if we went back to the clinton levels of taxation we're still double the highest bush era of deficit spending still because spending was accelerated so much in 2009 and 2010. we're trying to bring the spending levels back down. on the contrary if we just brought the spending levels down to the clinton level spending instead of tax level going up to clinton level of tax it is would solve this. we're trying to solve the debt and deficit. we're trying to say how do we get out of debt. the president is saying let's get past the fiscal cliff and let's keep moving on. that doesn't solve the problem. what solves the problem is reducing spending and get our spending back down so our nation is back in balance again. jon: is it mostly medicare and perhaps social security that are the drivers of the problem in your view? >> it is everything that's on the table. when you look at our discretionary spending, how much that was accelerat
we have a trillion dollars in deficit spending last four years. president says let's go back to the clinton levels of taxation. if we went back to the clinton levels of taxation we're still double the highest bush era of deficit spending still because spending was accelerated so much in 2009 and 2010. we're trying to bring the spending levels back down. on the contrary if we just brought the spending levels down to the clinton level spending instead of tax level going up to clinton level of tax...
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and so the deficit increased rather than declined. so it went from 220 billion in 1990 to 269 billion in 1991, 290 billion in 1992. i think that's directly relevant today because i think the obama tax increases are more likely to lose revenue rather than to gain revenue. for example -- >> clayton: we know what happened with president george h.w. bush, read my lips, no new tax and ended up going forward with some of those tax increases to part of the negotiation and democrats didn't come forward with entitlement cuts that were enough to actually counteract some of those tax increases. could we be seeing the exact same thing today? >> well, yes. for example, one big tax increase in the obama tax increase package is the capital gains tax rate is going to go up 58% on the higher income taxpayers. and so now in the last 50 years, every time the capital gains tax rate has been raised, capital gains revenues have declined rather than increased. and every time the capital gains tax rate has been cut, capital gains revenues increased rather th
and so the deficit increased rather than declined. so it went from 220 billion in 1990 to 269 billion in 1991, 290 billion in 1992. i think that's directly relevant today because i think the obama tax increases are more likely to lose revenue rather than to gain revenue. for example -- >> clayton: we know what happened with president george h.w. bush, read my lips, no new tax and ended up going forward with some of those tax increases to part of the negotiation and democrats didn't come...
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i think that would be a tough lift considering president obama offered $400,000 with $2 trillion in deficit reduction. >> from where you sit right now, i mean, you're so into the house gop, jake, i'm surprised you didn't end up in boehner's suitcase, we look like we're going over. >> it looks like that's the case and that's what gop aides are telling us today, it's very difficult and democrats are saying this too, it's difficult to see a way we avert the fiscal cliff at this point with how slow the senate operates, no plan right now, house is nowhere, and it's almost january. >> highway to the danger zone, jake sherman, politico, thank you so much for joining us, we appreciate it. >>> developing news on president george h.w. bush's health. this is "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. we've all had those moments. when you lost the thing you can't believe you lost. when what you just bought, just broke. or when you have a little trouble a long way from home... as an american express cardmember you can expect some help. but what you might not expect, is you can get all this with a prepaid
i think that would be a tough lift considering president obama offered $400,000 with $2 trillion in deficit reduction. >> from where you sit right now, i mean, you're so into the house gop, jake, i'm surprised you didn't end up in boehner's suitcase, we look like we're going over. >> it looks like that's the case and that's what gop aides are telling us today, it's very difficult and democrats are saying this too, it's difficult to see a way we avert the fiscal cliff at this point...
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the president in addressing a deficit added $1.6 trillion in new spending. gregg: yeah. >> so who are we joking right now? the president has never taken the spending side of this equation seriously, which is why we don't have a deal. republicans have put their necks on the line supporting new revenues, the president's not coming through. gregg: senator barrasso said the president does want to go over the cliff, because he wants to punish republicans. is there something to that? >> i don't think there's anything to that, but the reality is that if he wants to get anything done, he has two options. he either breaks the republicans on taxes, or he breaks the republicans. i read that somewhere, and i thought it was a fantastic quote. but i do think that he is going -- i don't think any of us want to see the country go off the cliff. gregg: maybe he just didn't think $16 trillion in debt is a big deal, basil? >> i think he thinks it's a big deal if we go off this cliff. we're talking about two million folks that will not get unemployment anymore, i don't think an
the president in addressing a deficit added $1.6 trillion in new spending. gregg: yeah. >> so who are we joking right now? the president has never taken the spending side of this equation seriously, which is why we don't have a deal. republicans have put their necks on the line supporting new revenues, the president's not coming through. gregg: senator barrasso said the president does want to go over the cliff, because he wants to punish republicans. is there something to that? >> i...
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of assets including buildings and hrafpbltd why selling these some say could make a big dent in our deficit. gregg: man doesn't leave his best friend even when he falls through the ice. okay, here's the plan. you have a plan? first we're gonna check our bags for free, thanks to our explorer card. then, the united club. my motr was so wrong about you. next, we get priory boarding on our flight i booked with miles. all because of the card. gregg: i want to show you this new video of a dramatic rcue in china. a young woman getting money from an atm machine is grabbed from behind and then a knife is put to her throat. there you see it. you can see the man holding her. a special unit of police and professional negotiators dispatched immediately to the scene after two hours finally able to take him down. wow. patti ann: the u.s. government is the nation's largest assett holder managing nearly 900,000 buildings and 640 million acres of land. in short hundreds of billions worth of assets that it could sell off to pay down the national debt. some say it's time for the government to start selling. wi
of assets including buildings and hrafpbltd why selling these some say could make a big dent in our deficit. gregg: man doesn't leave his best friend even when he falls through the ice. okay, here's the plan. you have a plan? first we're gonna check our bags for free, thanks to our explorer card. then, the united club. my motr was so wrong about you. next, we get priory boarding on our flight i booked with miles. all because of the card. gregg: i want to show you this new video of a dramatic...
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we have a $1 trillion annual budget deficit forecast for the next year. that means that president obama's solution would address 8% of the problem. it's by focusing on the 8% and giving the public the impression that that's in fact what would fix the problem that all these parties have done a disservice. they need to focus on spending, not on taxes. if they focus primarily on spending, i bet you would see the tax situation resolve itself. >> david, let's take a sharp turn and talk about the man who came very close to becoming the next president. the "boston globe" has an in-depth look at what might have gone wrong during romney's campaign. romney's eldest song tag along with ann romney who had to we are said him to run. he was quoted as saying he wanted to be president less than anyone i know in my life h.no desire to run. if he could have found somebody else to take his place he would have been ecstatic to step aside. what do you make of this? >> my eyes opened on that story because we know that mitt romney has run twice for the presidency. there were se
we have a $1 trillion annual budget deficit forecast for the next year. that means that president obama's solution would address 8% of the problem. it's by focusing on the 8% and giving the public the impression that that's in fact what would fix the problem that all these parties have done a disservice. they need to focus on spending, not on taxes. if they focus primarily on spending, i bet you would see the tax situation resolve itself. >> david, let's take a sharp turn and talk about...
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more stimulus, $50 billion in additional government spending, which would only add to the debt and deficit. what impact does that have? >> i think that have essentially no impact. the u.s. has been growing since june of 2009. this is not a case where the government needs to step in and stop a free fall. the problem is we're growing too slowly. we are growing at rates that are 1, 1.5, 2%, and we should be growing at rates of 3 and 4%. to do that we need permanent fixes. fixes to entitlement programs, tax reform, that's the recipe for more rapid growth. it's also the same recipe for fixing the debt. gregg: how about 7 and 8% growth which is what happened this ronald reagan reduced the tabgts rates. the tax rates. >> that would be phenomenal. we haven't seen that since the 1980s. it will take a very big pla change in the playbook in washington for that to happen h. gregg: thank you very much. >> thank you. gregg: what will it cost you if washington can't make a deal before next week, something that is looking more and more likely? you can find out all you need to know on our website foxnews.c
more stimulus, $50 billion in additional government spending, which would only add to the debt and deficit. what impact does that have? >> i think that have essentially no impact. the u.s. has been growing since june of 2009. this is not a case where the government needs to step in and stop a free fall. the problem is we're growing too slowly. we are growing at rates that are 1, 1.5, 2%, and we should be growing at rates of 3 and 4%. to do that we need permanent fixes. fixes to...
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i don't think from this point that we'll get meaningful deficit reduction. certainly not meaningful tax reform. i do think that there will be perhaps a permanent extension of the lower tax rates for those making at least under $500,000. the payroll tax cut on the other hand will go away, i think. it's highly likely. that is going to impact a lot of workers. >> bair also took on the credit sthamp increasing the -- criticism that increasing the tax on capital gains. >> this is an aberration in the tax code. it is grossly unfair. you look at if they raise, say they raise tax rates, the top tax rate to 39.6% for those making more than $500,000, that's going to mean that small businesses, a lot of small businesses are going to be paying that nearly 40% marginal tax rate where you have billionaire private equity funds, you know, paying 15, 20, or 2 4 depending where they put it. it's not an issue of penalizing investment income. it's an issue of penalizing labor and those who make the income through wages. and they're both legitimate and both should be taxed at th
i don't think from this point that we'll get meaningful deficit reduction. certainly not meaningful tax reform. i do think that there will be perhaps a permanent extension of the lower tax rates for those making at least under $500,000. the payroll tax cut on the other hand will go away, i think. it's highly likely. that is going to impact a lot of workers. >> bair also took on the credit sthamp increasing the -- criticism that increasing the tax on capital gains. >> this is an...
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trade deficit with china hit another record in 2011 with the value of chinese imports rising to almost $400 billion. but u.s. exports to china are also hitting record highs. >> china is now our third largest export market. and i don't think a lot of americans realize that. >> reporter: in fact, since the year 2000, 47 states have reported at least triple-digit export growth to china. including minnesota. the home of red wing shoes. >> china exports red wing shoe company have really taken off in the last five years. >> reporter: for red wing, the key is quality control. it says chinese-made products just don't measure up. >> the boots don't last as long. we are known for our leather. it's just a higher quality leather that's appreciated by that chinese customer. >> reporter: back in new york, fashion designer patrick ervel says his growing chinese fan base looks not only for quality but designs they can't find at home. >> now there is a bit of a cache, not just an american designer, but if you're manufacturing here, especially in menswear. >> reporter: why? >> just this idea of made in
trade deficit with china hit another record in 2011 with the value of chinese imports rising to almost $400 billion. but u.s. exports to china are also hitting record highs. >> china is now our third largest export market. and i don't think a lot of americans realize that. >> reporter: in fact, since the year 2000, 47 states have reported at least triple-digit export growth to china. including minnesota. the home of red wing shoes. >> china exports red wing shoe company have...
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the tax would have made the rich contribute a whole lot more to cutting public deficit. >> arthel: here at home as senator leaders work behind closed doors to cut an 11th hour deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, we got a glimpse of optimism on the senate floor on friday from majority leader harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell following their white house meeting with president obama. here it is. >> everyone knows we've been to the white house. we've had a constructive meeting. we certainly hope that something will positive will come from that. >> i share the view of the majority leader. we had a good meeting at the white house. we are engaged in discussions, the majority leader and myself and the white house in the hopes that we can come forward as early as sunday and have a recommendation that i can make to my conference and the majority leader can make to his conference. >> arthel: so is a fiscal deal more likely now than it was before congress left for christmas break? let's have a meeting of the minds. outreach director for freedom works, author of "backlash" and fox news cont
the tax would have made the rich contribute a whole lot more to cutting public deficit. >> arthel: here at home as senator leaders work behind closed doors to cut an 11th hour deal to avoid the fiscal cliff, we got a glimpse of optimism on the senate floor on friday from majority leader harry reid and minority leader mitch mcconnell following their white house meeting with president obama. here it is. >> everyone knows we've been to the white house. we've had a constructive meeting....
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there are basically three pieces to solving the deficit, right? one is spending and we have agrowed to $1.6 trillion in spending cuts in the last two years and the other is spending cuts. we put forth spending cuts of over $700 billion. not cutting care to seniors, but cutting overpayments to insurance companies. the burden of the deficit must not just be on the middle class. the wealthy have to kick in. we sent a bill to the house in july that says 98% americans, income up to 240,000 would continue to get tax cuts. above that, people would may more. they made excuses, the bill wasn't right. we have the bill in the house, the bill in the senate. the bottom line is when the speaker put on the floor last week the bill that would say, okay, how about everybody up to $1 million gets a tax cut. couldn't even pass that. we're stuck. we're really stuck. >> the house gop said they put a bill forward in august. so everyone sort of covering themselves saying we got a bill. we didn't ask to go over the fiscal cliff. i'm kind of glad at 3:00 this afternoon, b
there are basically three pieces to solving the deficit, right? one is spending and we have agrowed to $1.6 trillion in spending cuts in the last two years and the other is spending cuts. we put forth spending cuts of over $700 billion. not cutting care to seniors, but cutting overpayments to insurance companies. the burden of the deficit must not just be on the middle class. the wealthy have to kick in. we sent a bill to the house in july that says 98% americans, income up to 240,000 would...
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last-minute process calls into question washington's ability to deal with the hard issues of tax reform and deficit reduction. >> the prospects for the economy are incredibly dim until we put in place a bigger deal and put certainty into the economy. >> americans watched with worry and frustration. >> i think they're all failing us a great deal and i'm so sick and tire of them fighting. >> it's the equivalent of worrying about your mortgage after you're homeless. >> it's sad. >> we do want to remind you that president obama will be david gregory's exclusive guest on "meet the press" this morning. you can catch his interview on wbal-tv 11 at 10:00 a.m. former president george h.w. bush is out of intensive care and improving. a family spokesperson says the bushes thank everyone for prayers and good wishes. mr. bush is the oldest living president. he's been in the hospital for a bronchitis related cough. a lawyer for a survivor of the newtown massacre says the state of connecticut didn't do enough to keep a child safe and wants to sue for $100 million. he says after hearing gunfire and screaming, the
last-minute process calls into question washington's ability to deal with the hard issues of tax reform and deficit reduction. >> the prospects for the economy are incredibly dim until we put in place a bigger deal and put certainty into the economy. >> americans watched with worry and frustration. >> i think they're all failing us a great deal and i'm so sick and tire of them fighting. >> it's the equivalent of worrying about your mortgage after you're homeless....
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illinois, there are $100 billion in the hole in terms of the deficit. nationally, you got all these people in the earlier segment playing blame game in washington. guess what? when you're spending more money than you pull in, eventually the money runs out. then you can blame all you want. but there is no money. for basic services, like police, like good education, all that stuff. they don't care about that. they spend the money on what they want to get elected. >> when you're saying that the previous mayor spent all the money, you're talking about mayor daly. rahm emanuel is in place now. >> right. >> he spent all the money on what? and then, two, what is the realistic proposal here to reverse the violence? >> well, over 20 years i can give you a laundry list of corruption and cronyism. but you know it well because you were here as well. and you saw it. there was a reporter once for "time" doing a cnn profile, comparing richard daly to andy of maybury and said he presides over chicago like andy of maybury. now that reporter is the press secretary for pr
illinois, there are $100 billion in the hole in terms of the deficit. nationally, you got all these people in the earlier segment playing blame game in washington. guess what? when you're spending more money than you pull in, eventually the money runs out. then you can blame all you want. but there is no money. for basic services, like police, like good education, all that stuff. they don't care about that. they spend the money on what they want to get elected. >> when you're saying that...
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congress agreed to steep a spending cuts going into reduce the deficit. cuts now are just around the corner. >> the president says he's optimistic but did f.a deal can not be reached he'll tell hairy reid to introduce a fall back bill. >> put a bill making sure tax on middle class families don't goup, that unemployment is available for two million people z that lays ground work for additional deficit reductions and economic growth steps we can take in the new year. >> the bill, as the president calls bare minimum isn't what many hoped for, pushing off until next year, larger pron lems of dealing with the cuts. the study by george mason university found cuts will result in two million jobs lost and a $215 billion drop in the nation's gross domestic product. for california, it means defense spending will be cut by half a billion dollars, 12,000 children would lose their access to head head start programs and fewer women would receive screening. 7,000 victims of domestic violence would lose services. 8,000 fewer californians tested for hiv. 296,000 students
congress agreed to steep a spending cuts going into reduce the deficit. cuts now are just around the corner. >> the president says he's optimistic but did f.a deal can not be reached he'll tell hairy reid to introduce a fall back bill. >> put a bill making sure tax on middle class families don't goup, that unemployment is available for two million people z that lays ground work for additional deficit reductions and economic growth steps we can take in the new year. >> the...
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and kicked the can down the road and only talking about taxes which will do nothing to decrease the deficit. >> juliet: thank you for joining us and waking up at the bright and early hour of 6:10 a.m. >> clayton: thanks, curtis. let's check with maria molina, another snowstorm in ohio and east and some places in southern new england got up to a foot of snow. >> dave: and drivers be warned, five people hurt in new hampshire after a 20-car pileup and some airports saw slays and a plane taken off in sheing slid off the runway, and stuck in a snow bank, 6 6 on board. no one was hurt. >> juliet: for more on the conditions as mr. clayton morris said, maria molina. i was saddened not to see a white new years, pre-new years. >> we didn't see it accumulate in new york, in manhattan. outside, hoboken saw snow on the cars, but not on the ground or the streets, but place ins connecticut and massachusetts actually saw close to a foot of snow. i even sawmill ford, massachusetts over a foot of snow and some people did get lucky and needed snow across portions of we haven't is that much snow so far this wi
and kicked the can down the road and only talking about taxes which will do nothing to decrease the deficit. >> juliet: thank you for joining us and waking up at the bright and early hour of 6:10 a.m. >> clayton: thanks, curtis. let's check with maria molina, another snowstorm in ohio and east and some places in southern new england got up to a foot of snow. >> dave: and drivers be warned, five people hurt in new hampshire after a 20-car pileup and some airports saw slays and...
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so we forget to say it is unsexy but can we really talk about the budget or what this deficit means? can we really say if you are going to solve this problem x, y and z absolutely has to happen. it is not a question of whether you are a democrat or republican. this has to take place. no millions of dollars you throw in a campaign will change in the mathematics. >> let me ask you about "the dust bowl." all of your films in some ways can be coaxed out of them is some modern day resonance and we can get to that. first, talk to me about this period of history and what drew you to it. >> first of all, you are always drawn to stories. people forget the word history is made up of story. it is not boring dates and facts t. is stories the way human beings communicate. when you start researching something that you didn't know that much about -- we all have conventional wisdom. you say dust storm and we have an image. and then we think cotton prices and the depression and moving to california and it mostly takes place in california. the real dust bowl, this area of the panhandle of oklahoma and
so we forget to say it is unsexy but can we really talk about the budget or what this deficit means? can we really say if you are going to solve this problem x, y and z absolutely has to happen. it is not a question of whether you are a democrat or republican. this has to take place. no millions of dollars you throw in a campaign will change in the mathematics. >> let me ask you about "the dust bowl." all of your films in some ways can be coaxed out of them is some modern day...
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what happened was the greatest prosperity in modern history. 23 million jobs, no more deficits, we got to a balanced budget and i remember saying to my husband my goodness, what's going to happen? there won't be any more u.s. government bonds because we're going to be out of the debt situation. we saw -- we saw it on the horizon when george w. bush became president, he decided to go back, backwards on rates across the board from the wealthiest to the middle to the poor, and he put two wars on a credit card and we are where we are where we are. and to add to this history, we all know that we're coming out of the worst recession since the great depression. it has been difficult, led by, unfortunately, some unscrupulous people on wall street who created a nightmare in the housing market. i remember saying to treasury secretary paulsen can you explain the rule of derivatives here and what happened and how we got into this crisis? and he put his head in his hands, mr. president, and he said not now. i'll talk to you later. now, that's not a very encouraging thing when the secretary of the t
what happened was the greatest prosperity in modern history. 23 million jobs, no more deficits, we got to a balanced budget and i remember saying to my husband my goodness, what's going to happen? there won't be any more u.s. government bonds because we're going to be out of the debt situation. we saw -- we saw it on the horizon when george w. bush became president, he decided to go back, backwards on rates across the board from the wealthiest to the middle to the poor, and he put two wars on a...
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>> i think there is no question that getting the debt and deficit under control is in the interests of younger generations so they are not saddled with debt solely for our current consumption. but how we get there matters an awful lot. if you raise taxes on people at the top, that affects people mostly in their peak earning year, late 40s to their late 50s. if you focus the spending cuts on discretionary spending which is what we've done so far, you squeeze investment thes in the next generation. education, infrastructure, research. there really needs to be a balance both between taxes and spending and then on the spending side between restraining discretionary spending and restraining entitlements which are aimed at today's seniors. >> so many times we've heard talk about generational warfare between old and young. but this is a little bit different. >> right. first of all, there is no -- today there is generational warfare more in the opposite direction. the polls show that young people by and large are willing to pay for entitlements for today's seniors. what's eroded is the willing
>> i think there is no question that getting the debt and deficit under control is in the interests of younger generations so they are not saddled with debt solely for our current consumption. but how we get there matters an awful lot. if you raise taxes on people at the top, that affects people mostly in their peak earning year, late 40s to their late 50s. if you focus the spending cuts on discretionary spending which is what we've done so far, you squeeze investment thes in the next...
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this is a good deficit -- solid deficit reduction proposal. my great fear is they will make a deal and simply kick the can down the road and i think that may happen. it would be too bad. the right deal is to really take a big bite out of the deficit. you go back to the clinton tax rates and make some significant cuts and you cut the defense department, which hasn't been cut in 30 years. >> maggie, looks like we will get exactly what the governor just -- i mean assuming they get -- and what was your take listening to schumer and kyl? >> my take was there has not been that much progress. my take on labrador -- >> they sounded so optimistic. because that's where the deal >> well, they did. they both did because that's where the deal is being discussed in the senate. with the discussion with the house members that i found much more contentious and sort of interesting about where we are and that i think is of real concern. i do think that some senate democrats and some liberal members of the house would like to see the cliff gone over. they think t
this is a good deficit -- solid deficit reduction proposal. my great fear is they will make a deal and simply kick the can down the road and i think that may happen. it would be too bad. the right deal is to really take a big bite out of the deficit. you go back to the clinton tax rates and make some significant cuts and you cut the defense department, which hasn't been cut in 30 years. >> maggie, looks like we will get exactly what the governor just -- i mean assuming they get -- and...
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the president's aides tell us in private he scaled back from a $4 trillion deficit deal. he wants something smaller in the wake of speaker john boehner's failure on so-called plan b last week. they just want something that will extend middle class tax cuts. they want to see two million people get unemployment benefits extended. those are running out at end of the year by the way the president, you remember, came out on friday after speaker boehner talked about the failure of the vote thursday night and president basically said everyone should calm down, cool off over the holidays. take a listen. >> everybody can cool off. everybody can drink some eggnog, have some christmas cookies, sing some christmas carols, enjoy the company of loved ones and then i would ask every member of congress while they're back home to think about that. think about the obligations we have to the people who sent us here. >> reporter: so, sing some carols today. probably will be some eggnog. here in hawaii, maybe back in ohio where john boehner is likely celebrating the holidays as well but they
the president's aides tell us in private he scaled back from a $4 trillion deficit deal. he wants something smaller in the wake of speaker john boehner's failure on so-called plan b last week. they just want something that will extend middle class tax cuts. they want to see two million people get unemployment benefits extended. those are running out at end of the year by the way the president, you remember, came out on friday after speaker boehner talked about the failure of the vote thursday...
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there isn't a structural deficit anymore. there's $1.9 billion -- >> yeah. >> but that is small. it was $25 billion just a couple years ago. this problem is a good part of the way toward being solved, and i think if people would have -- i don't think people even still completely understand that. and to me, the big question is, are the democrats, now that they have two-thirds majorities in each house, are they going to blow it up again and create new deficits like when gray davis was in charge, by rewarding in spending and locking in unions and things like that. >> and i think the democrats do have the supermajority in both the state senate and the state assembly, but a lot of the new freshmen coming in are from more centrist districts. they won by small margins, and i don't think it's a foregone conclusion that they're going to be steam-rollering with big government. voters also passed prop 39, which closed a corporate tax option of -- some would call it a loophole to pay a lower tax. that brings another $1 billion into the state budget. and for -- >> some of that's earmarked, th
there isn't a structural deficit anymore. there's $1.9 billion -- >> yeah. >> but that is small. it was $25 billion just a couple years ago. this problem is a good part of the way toward being solved, and i think if people would have -- i don't think people even still completely understand that. and to me, the big question is, are the democrats, now that they have two-thirds majorities in each house, are they going to blow it up again and create new deficits like when gray davis was...
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deficit $536 billion. $536 million. back then social security made up 6.5%. 6.5%. of the federal budget. 6.5%. the decayed and medicare didn't exist back then. let's compare that to what we are doing now. a 20% of the budget on social security, and then we throw a 21% more of the federal budget for medicare, medicaid, and another 13% for other social programs, food stamps. so that comes up to a whopping 54% of the budget. 54%. forgot to mention this. it is kind of important, isn't it? back than median family income was about $38,000. $38,000. today it is $62,000. we will pretend that looks like a two and that looks like a six. we haven't done too well, more than half a century in raising a the median income ine this country and that is something he is right about, we do have to fix that. imagine this, it's got a nobel prize. the unions made up 24% read today that number a rather convenient because a reduction by half of 12% right now. it tells which were the country is moving in this nostalgia for a 91% tax rate. i want
deficit $536 billion. $536 million. back then social security made up 6.5%. 6.5%. of the federal budget. 6.5%. the decayed and medicare didn't exist back then. let's compare that to what we are doing now. a 20% of the budget on social security, and then we throw a 21% more of the federal budget for medicare, medicaid, and another 13% for other social programs, food stamps. so that comes up to a whopping 54% of the budget. 54%. forgot to mention this. it is kind of important, isn't it? back than...